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	<title>Comments on: Remember That ACRL Membership Survey &#8211; Part One</title>
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		<title>By: Deborah Lee</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2006/07/10/remember-that-acrl-membership-survey-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-11031</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has been involved in several recent search committees and who also mentors several new librarians, I&#039;ve found this discussion interesting.

There are some GREAT new librarians out there---but there are also quite a few folks who&#039;s applications practically scream: DON&#039;T HIRE ME!  At a minimum, folks don&#039;t follow directions:  if a position asks for references, send references that can actually be contacted; if it ask for a curriculum vitae and you send a short resume instead, you will be at a disadvantage.   

If you have no library experience whatsoever, I think it&#039;s a legitimate question to ask why you think librarianship is a good career choice.  And yet, you wouldn&#039;t believe the number of candidates who are thrown by this question.  Other candidates do no research on our institution and ask basic questions that could have been answered if they had bothered to look at our web page.  

One thing I do look at is involvement as a student in library organizations or national organizations such as ACRL.  Maybe you haven&#039;t worked in a library but you&#039;ve put together a poster session exploring an issue that we&#039;re also trying to deal with. At the very least, belonging to an organization, being familiar with the issues being discussed by its members and being able to convey this information to a search committee can go a long way to showing your commitment to the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has been involved in several recent search committees and who also mentors several new librarians, I&#8217;ve found this discussion interesting.</p>
<p>There are some GREAT new librarians out there&#8212;but there are also quite a few folks who&#8217;s applications practically scream: DON&#8217;T HIRE ME!  At a minimum, folks don&#8217;t follow directions:  if a position asks for references, send references that can actually be contacted; if it ask for a curriculum vitae and you send a short resume instead, you will be at a disadvantage.   </p>
<p>If you have no library experience whatsoever, I think it&#8217;s a legitimate question to ask why you think librarianship is a good career choice.  And yet, you wouldn&#8217;t believe the number of candidates who are thrown by this question.  Other candidates do no research on our institution and ask basic questions that could have been answered if they had bothered to look at our web page.  </p>
<p>One thing I do look at is involvement as a student in library organizations or national organizations such as ACRL.  Maybe you haven&#8217;t worked in a library but you&#8217;ve put together a poster session exploring an issue that we&#8217;re also trying to deal with. At the very least, belonging to an organization, being familiar with the issues being discussed by its members and being able to convey this information to a search committee can go a long way to showing your commitment to the field.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been most interested in this conversation.  And I&#039;d like to comment on a few disparate points.

At Wisconsin-Madison SLIS, academic and public libraries are the two largest destinations of our graduates. Most of them are finding jobs, if they can relocate (and many do),  and some even if they stay in Madison, because the University Library System has both a residency program into which several of the grads go, often progressing later to full-flegded academic librarian positions, and because there has been a huge number of retirements in the last couple of years. But the students are finding that their practicum experiences are essential for their being hired.  

STudents graduate with a huge amount of debt, often.  A graduated fee structure, or a deal for the first two years after graduation, or some such, would probably enlarge the membership, as would a commitment by hiring institutions to fund at least some travel to conferences, especially for people who are presenting.  Once a person is bitten by the conference bug, he or she is much more likely to be willing to self-fund attendance. 

In addition, the kind of residency programs that UW-Madison and some other college and university libraries have, not only help grads get the experience they need, but also allows the institution to get some new blood every few years--and keep the folks they really want. 

If our student body is any indication, beginning librarians are getting younger. A significant number of our students come straight out of undergraduate school or after a Peace Corps stint or a short hiatus of some kind. We still have the career changers, but the average age is falling.

We take academic librarianship very seriously and attribute much of our students&#039; success in finding jobs to the help that our campus librarian colleagues have given us in educating our students through jobs, practicums and independent study supervsion. 

Louise Robbins, Director, SLIS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been most interested in this conversation.  And I&#8217;d like to comment on a few disparate points.</p>
<p>At Wisconsin-Madison SLIS, academic and public libraries are the two largest destinations of our graduates. Most of them are finding jobs, if they can relocate (and many do),  and some even if they stay in Madison, because the University Library System has both a residency program into which several of the grads go, often progressing later to full-flegded academic librarian positions, and because there has been a huge number of retirements in the last couple of years. But the students are finding that their practicum experiences are essential for their being hired.  </p>
<p>STudents graduate with a huge amount of debt, often.  A graduated fee structure, or a deal for the first two years after graduation, or some such, would probably enlarge the membership, as would a commitment by hiring institutions to fund at least some travel to conferences, especially for people who are presenting.  Once a person is bitten by the conference bug, he or she is much more likely to be willing to self-fund attendance. </p>
<p>In addition, the kind of residency programs that UW-Madison and some other college and university libraries have, not only help grads get the experience they need, but also allows the institution to get some new blood every few years&#8211;and keep the folks they really want. </p>
<p>If our student body is any indication, beginning librarians are getting younger. A significant number of our students come straight out of undergraduate school or after a Peace Corps stint or a short hiatus of some kind. We still have the career changers, but the average age is falling.</p>
<p>We take academic librarianship very seriously and attribute much of our students&#8217; success in finding jobs to the help that our campus librarian colleagues have given us in educating our students through jobs, practicums and independent study supervsion. </p>
<p>Louise Robbins, Director, SLIS</p>
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		<title>By: ACRLog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Remember That ACRL Membership Survey - Part Two</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2006/07/10/remember-that-acrl-membership-survey-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-10757</link>
		<dc:creator>ACRLog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Remember That ACRL Membership Survey - Part Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A fair amount of the ACRL membership survey, which ACRLog began sharing last week, reports on resources and services that respondents valued. In other words, what does ACRL offer that is most important to the members. It&#8217;s pretty clear that what most members like about being a part of their ACRL section is, well, you! Networking is the highest rated member benefit, and that appears to be the case no matter how long someone has been an ACRL member. ACRL affords academic librarians the opportunity to meet, work, and discuss issues with colleagues. Things get more interesting when respondents were asked about the value of newsletters, e-discussion lists, and conferences. Some real differences begin to emerge among those who&#8217;ve been members 11 years or more, and those who&#8217;ve been members 10 years or less. There is a clear preference for the newsletter and discussion lists among newer (younger?) members, while those who&#8217;ve been members more than 20 years prefer conference programs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A fair amount of the ACRL membership survey, which ACRLog began sharing last week, reports on resources and services that respondents valued. In other words, what does ACRL offer that is most important to the members. It&#8217;s pretty clear that what most members like about being a part of their ACRL section is, well, you! Networking is the highest rated member benefit, and that appears to be the case no matter how long someone has been an ACRL member. ACRL affords academic librarians the opportunity to meet, work, and discuss issues with colleagues. Things get more interesting when respondents were asked about the value of newsletters, e-discussion lists, and conferences. Some real differences begin to emerge among those who&#8217;ve been members 11 years or more, and those who&#8217;ve been members 10 years or less. There is a clear preference for the newsletter and discussion lists among newer (younger?) members, while those who&#8217;ve been members more than 20 years prefer conference programs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: YoungLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>YoungLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. There is no ACRL chapter in my city. Perhaps if there were, I would have considered it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. There is no ACRL chapter in my city. Perhaps if there were, I would have considered it.</p>
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		<title>By: YoungLibrarian</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2006/07/10/remember-that-acrl-membership-survey-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-10520</link>
		<dc:creator>YoungLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StevenB. Several reasons. Most importantly, cost and potential to get involved. I cannot afford to join all the library associations I am interested in, so I am a member of only one at this time. The one I chose is my local library association. Although there are fewer specialized opportunities relating to academic librarianship, this association allows me to network with other librarians in my area, and because it is so small I have been able to jump right in and get involved. I have attended many events (this is easy because it&#039;s local) and I have even held more than one formal position on the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StevenB. Several reasons. Most importantly, cost and potential to get involved. I cannot afford to join all the library associations I am interested in, so I am a member of only one at this time. The one I chose is my local library association. Although there are fewer specialized opportunities relating to academic librarianship, this association allows me to network with other librarians in my area, and because it is so small I have been able to jump right in and get involved. I have attended many events (this is easy because it&#8217;s local) and I have even held more than one formal position on the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Hinchliffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Hinchliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 03:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course one could also ask what analysis was done to see if the profile of those responding is indicative of the association as a whole. Perhaps younger librarians replied to the survey at a lower rate than others. Harkening back to the prior discussions of survey design/validity on this blog ... one might wonder about the method of distributing the survey, whole membership vs. sample selection as survey group, response rate, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course one could also ask what analysis was done to see if the profile of those responding is indicative of the association as a whole. Perhaps younger librarians replied to the survey at a lower rate than others. Harkening back to the prior discussions of survey design/validity on this blog &#8230; one might wonder about the method of distributing the survey, whole membership vs. sample selection as survey group, response rate, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Candice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the median age of library school students?  When I went to UT-Austin in the mid &#039;90s, I was one of very, very few students who was under 30.  Librarianship seems like a second career for many people, so I&#039;ve always wondered if the higher median age in our profession reflects a later start date in the career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the median age of library school students?  When I went to UT-Austin in the mid &#8217;90s, I was one of very, very few students who was under 30.  Librarianship seems like a second career for many people, so I&#8217;ve always wondered if the higher median age in our profession reflects a later start date in the career.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudy Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudy Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UIUC ACRL student chapter is the alpha chapter. I was the founding chair, and am very proud that my baby, ACRL@GSLIS, was born in 2004. I don&#039;t think there are any other chapters as yet, but the current chair launched a new members round table-type group (for ACRL) at New Orleans, so perhaps that will bear fruit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UIUC ACRL student chapter is the alpha chapter. I was the founding chair, and am very proud that my baby, ACRL@GSLIS, was born in 2004. I don&#8217;t think there are any other chapters as yet, but the current chair launched a new members round table-type group (for ACRL) at New Orleans, so perhaps that will bear fruit.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenB</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevenB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Young Librarian - what would make you more like to join - or what keeps you from joining? Cost? Lack of support at your library? Don&#039;t feel that you would fit in? ACRL journals not of interest? Can you elaborate?

Have you considered getting active on the local level first? That gives one an opportunity to get to know ACRL a bit better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Young Librarian &#8211; what would make you more like to join &#8211; or what keeps you from joining? Cost? Lack of support at your library? Don&#8217;t feel that you would fit in? ACRL journals not of interest? Can you elaborate?</p>
<p>Have you considered getting active on the local level first? That gives one an opportunity to get to know ACRL a bit better.</p>
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		<title>By: YoungLibrarian</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2006/07/10/remember-that-acrl-membership-survey-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-10132</link>
		<dc:creator>YoungLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, maybe young academic librarians just aren&#039;t joining ACRL. Like myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, maybe young academic librarians just aren&#8217;t joining ACRL. Like myself.</p>
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