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	<title>Comments on: Still Waiting For Those Old Librarians To Retire</title>
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		<title>By: Quality Control &#171; Hack Library School</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quality Control &#171; Hack Library School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It seems almost every year we in the library science field torture ourselves about the glut of graduates emerging from our programs and the shortage of jobs that exist within the profession. One thing I continually hear from people is that library schools should make admissions harder. The argument is that if we let less people in with higher qualification our degrees will matter more. Here I take umbrage. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It seems almost every year we in the library science field torture ourselves about the glut of graduates emerging from our programs and the shortage of jobs that exist within the profession. One thing I continually hear from people is that library schools should make admissions harder. The argument is that if we let less people in with higher qualification our degrees will matter more. Here I take umbrage. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pigbitin mad</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2009/01/05/still-waiting-for-those-old-librarians-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-213088</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigbitin mad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People often treat you like you suspiciously as if you are a dishonest person or lazy because you have been out of work for so long. Or, that is the impression one gets&quot;

No it is not just an impression.  People who have work want you dead.  Gotta reduce the surplus population as it will make them more valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People often treat you like you suspiciously as if you are a dishonest person or lazy because you have been out of work for so long. Or, that is the impression one gets&#8221;</p>
<p>No it is not just an impression.  People who have work want you dead.  Gotta reduce the surplus population as it will make them more valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: Pigbitin Mad</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2009/01/05/still-waiting-for-those-old-librarians-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-198258</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigbitin Mad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well David, i think we are both going to literally die trying because my money will certainly run out before my life does (hastening the end of my life). Of course people will just say we are being negative.  That is the panacea for everything.  This just don&#039;t understand that there are perfectly legitimate reasons to be angry.  When I was in school I thought a lot of the people seemed kinda dumb.  Anyone can get this degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well David, i think we are both going to literally die trying because my money will certainly run out before my life does (hastening the end of my life). Of course people will just say we are being negative.  That is the panacea for everything.  This just don&#8217;t understand that there are perfectly legitimate reasons to be angry.  When I was in school I thought a lot of the people seemed kinda dumb.  Anyone can get this degree.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny that after all of this time (three years since getting my MLIS) I am still unemployed. Everyone has special circumstances. I live in a small town in IL, and I do not have a car. I moved from Chicago where a car was not an issue. Still, when I look at the jobs pages at public libraries or university libraries I see very little entry level positions. I do see lots of library director jobs, however. It must be that the entry level jobs are either being phased out or filled in house by internal candidates. It gets to be depressing. In the town I live in I know the librarians in the local library well. None of them have a degree except the director. One of them is so rude to me that I avoid going in while she is at the desk. I say to myself, I should have her job. It is not fair I shout! No, it isn&#039;t fair-life is not fair. I was told on graduating that my second MA would help me in finding a position. If anyone tells you that they are kidding you. It may be important when competing for promotions once already hired, but the truth is that most librarys have stacks of over educated applicants. Like most newly minted or recently minted librarians, I have no post library degree experience. In my case I have two years college library experience. So what do I do? I keep applying. I may never find work. But I will die trying if I have too. The worst part about being unemployed is the treatment you get when you do apply for work. People often treat you like you suspiciously as if you are a dishonest person or lazy because you have been out of work for so long. Or, that is the impression one gets. To all the librarians and library workers out there that may read this comment I would like you to be grateful for what you have. And for Christ&#039;s sake show it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny that after all of this time (three years since getting my MLIS) I am still unemployed. Everyone has special circumstances. I live in a small town in IL, and I do not have a car. I moved from Chicago where a car was not an issue. Still, when I look at the jobs pages at public libraries or university libraries I see very little entry level positions. I do see lots of library director jobs, however. It must be that the entry level jobs are either being phased out or filled in house by internal candidates. It gets to be depressing. In the town I live in I know the librarians in the local library well. None of them have a degree except the director. One of them is so rude to me that I avoid going in while she is at the desk. I say to myself, I should have her job. It is not fair I shout! No, it isn&#8217;t fair-life is not fair. I was told on graduating that my second MA would help me in finding a position. If anyone tells you that they are kidding you. It may be important when competing for promotions once already hired, but the truth is that most librarys have stacks of over educated applicants. Like most newly minted or recently minted librarians, I have no post library degree experience. In my case I have two years college library experience. So what do I do? I keep applying. I may never find work. But I will die trying if I have too. The worst part about being unemployed is the treatment you get when you do apply for work. People often treat you like you suspiciously as if you are a dishonest person or lazy because you have been out of work for so long. Or, that is the impression one gets. To all the librarians and library workers out there that may read this comment I would like you to be grateful for what you have. And for Christ&#8217;s sake show it!</p>
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		<title>By: Pigbitin Mad</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2009/01/05/still-waiting-for-those-old-librarians-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-168844</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigbitin Mad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention one thing....  Another thing that makes me pig bitin mad is that everyone seems to think a newly minted librarian should be willing to move to the remote corners of the earth to get a job that pays nothing so that we can pay our dues and maybe make $35,000 in the place where we ultimately want to live and work.  Why would anyone endure all the busy work of going to Grad School for that.  What do they think this job is?  Radio or television or something glamorous?  I don&#039;t think so.  I may as well go back to telemarketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention one thing&#8230;.  Another thing that makes me pig bitin mad is that everyone seems to think a newly minted librarian should be willing to move to the remote corners of the earth to get a job that pays nothing so that we can pay our dues and maybe make $35,000 in the place where we ultimately want to live and work.  Why would anyone endure all the busy work of going to Grad School for that.  What do they think this job is?  Radio or television or something glamorous?  I don&#8217;t think so.  I may as well go back to telemarketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pigbitin Mad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pigbitin Mad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &quot;Bitter Yes&quot;, you sure got it right.  These librarians like XXXXXXXXXX who got their jobs back in the days when they would fill most jobs with just any &quot;warm body&quot; -- are now lording it over the rest of us for lack of &quot;any type of library experience&quot;.  Well, I had four years of experience in an Academic Library while getting my degree.  It&#039;s just that as a support staffer, that type of experience didn&#039;t count (because librarians especially in the academic sector walk around with their nose in the air like they are curing cancer or something....they actually think they are more intelligent than everyone else).  XXXXXXX seems to think that Library School is some sort of great accomplishment like med school or law school when it is in fact no more difficult than the 13th Grade.  (Even at Drexel.  Yes, everyone who went to Drexesl loves to brag about it, but I swear it is no different than Clarion or anywhere else in terms of the difficulty).

We are not asking any of the boomers to step down before they are ready.  However, you can stop making such a big point of how you all have so much experience and the lazy dumb asses like us don&#039;t (all because we can&#039;t get hired anywhere).  Your stupid degree does not exactly make you Einstein.  Everything learned in library school could have been learned in two weeks on the job.  Insistence on experience is a bunch of nonsense.  However, we were all told that the MLS is sort of like a &quot;union card&quot; i.e. something you must have to get a job.

Therefore, what people hate about all of you Boomers is your insistence that you are so much better than everyone because you just happened to be born at the right time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ &#8220;Bitter Yes&#8221;, you sure got it right.  These librarians like XXXXXXXXXX who got their jobs back in the days when they would fill most jobs with just any &#8220;warm body&#8221; &#8212; are now lording it over the rest of us for lack of &#8220;any type of library experience&#8221;.  Well, I had four years of experience in an Academic Library while getting my degree.  It&#8217;s just that as a support staffer, that type of experience didn&#8217;t count (because librarians especially in the academic sector walk around with their nose in the air like they are curing cancer or something&#8230;.they actually think they are more intelligent than everyone else).  XXXXXXX seems to think that Library School is some sort of great accomplishment like med school or law school when it is in fact no more difficult than the 13th Grade.  (Even at Drexel.  Yes, everyone who went to Drexesl loves to brag about it, but I swear it is no different than Clarion or anywhere else in terms of the difficulty).</p>
<p>We are not asking any of the boomers to step down before they are ready.  However, you can stop making such a big point of how you all have so much experience and the lazy dumb asses like us don&#8217;t (all because we can&#8217;t get hired anywhere).  Your stupid degree does not exactly make you Einstein.  Everything learned in library school could have been learned in two weeks on the job.  Insistence on experience is a bunch of nonsense.  However, we were all told that the MLS is sort of like a &#8220;union card&#8221; i.e. something you must have to get a job.</p>
<p>Therefore, what people hate about all of you Boomers is your insistence that you are so much better than everyone because you just happened to be born at the right time.</p>
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		<title>By: To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield &#171; the zeds : library science</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2009/01/05/still-waiting-for-those-old-librarians-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-166884</link>
		<dc:creator>To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield &#171; the zeds : library science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 02:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]      I&#8217;ve been mulling over some words that Stanley Wilder guest-wrote on the ACRL blog in early January. The Associate Dean of Information Management Services at the University of Rochester River Campus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]      I&#8217;ve been mulling over some words that Stanley Wilder guest-wrote on the ACRL blog in early January. The Associate Dean of Information Management Services at the University of Rochester River Campus [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Steeleworthy, MLIS &#124; Portfolio &#187; To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Steeleworthy, MLIS &#124; Portfolio &#187; To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 21:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been mulling over some words that Stanley Wilder guest-wrote on the ACRL blog in early January. The Associate Dean of Information Management Services at the University of Rochester River Campus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been mulling over some words that Stanley Wilder guest-wrote on the ACRL blog in early January. The Associate Dean of Information Management Services at the University of Rochester River Campus [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Am I Bitter? Yes!</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2009/01/05/still-waiting-for-those-old-librarians-to-retire/comment-page-1/#comment-165012</link>
		<dc:creator>Am I Bitter? Yes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 01:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an MLS graduate of 2009, it&#039;s hard not to be disgusted with the librarians who are staying on, who were hired when there was a shortage and they probably didn&#039;t even need a library digree. They&#039;re making big money, and they&#039;re not giving it up. In the meantime, we&#039;re struggling in &quot;assistant librarian&quot; positions and making peanuts. Often our wage levels are set by the boomers who won&#039;t retire. Sure, they look great to the library board when they don&#039;t push for an additional MLS employee, saving the library lots of money in the short-term and lowering library standards in the meantime. Some of them even seek to protect their jobs by refusing to mentor or share information with those of us at the bottom struggling to break into a professional position.

I love library work. I love patrons, reading, making information accessible, and treating all information-seekers fairly. I give my all in my library assistant position, but hate that it seems I won&#039;t be able to recover the $35,000 I spent to earn the MLS because I loved library work so much. I&#039;m not even getting interviews, except for one telephone interview. I&#039;m competing against graduates of 2008, 2009, and 2010, and also against those who didn&#039;t leave their jobs in 2009 for job security concerns but now feel confident enough to seek a better position.

From those boomers who do bother to acknowledge that they received the application materials you spent the time to craft, you hear that they were swamped with applications. 

I hate the current climate of nepotism and privilege that is sneaking into the library job hiring world.  I see a lot of self-aggrandizement in this competitive climate, including among the established boomers making 80,000+ a year, and not much furthering of the library profession itself. If boomers were concerned about building the library world instead of their own salaries, they&#039;d be mentoring more, and pushing for more MLS positions, and outsourcing less. 

I&#039;ve taken on as many professional duties as my library will allow for a library assistant. I&#039;ve volunteered, but don&#039;t have time to volunteer any more. My family and my son needs me to be home sometimes, and I work full-time and it&#039;s a full-time job to craft each cover letter, resume, and--horrors--the city or academic applications, each of which has some unique requirement. When I read professional salaried librarians gripe about how they might have received an application with a typo, or one in which the applicant accidentally left in the name of a different institution from a rewritten cover letter, I think about the nights I&#039;ve stayed up past 2 a.m. to try to meet an application deadline after working all day, making dinner, doing homework with my son, and getting him to bed. I care about every job I apply for. I look at the area, at the library&#039;s website; I read the mission statement, I think about what it would be like to work there, in the position that&#039;s advertised and in the climate that&#039;s represented by the website. Because I had a typo, or made some glaring error like leaving in a different library&#039;s name in the closing, doesn&#039;t mean I just sent you a form letter or that I didn&#039;t care about your library and the opening there.

If the boomers aren&#039;t going to retire, they should at least try to mentor, and try putting themselves in the newer graduates&#039; shoes instead of gloating about how much they make and how they&#039;re gonna hang on until their teeth fall out. Good for you. I&#039;m sure your library and patrons will benefit tremendously. In the meantime, the ones who take over after you finally do retire will be less prepared, because you held on to all the responsibility and micromanaging control you possibly could with your every last ounce of strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an MLS graduate of 2009, it&#8217;s hard not to be disgusted with the librarians who are staying on, who were hired when there was a shortage and they probably didn&#8217;t even need a library digree. They&#8217;re making big money, and they&#8217;re not giving it up. In the meantime, we&#8217;re struggling in &#8220;assistant librarian&#8221; positions and making peanuts. Often our wage levels are set by the boomers who won&#8217;t retire. Sure, they look great to the library board when they don&#8217;t push for an additional MLS employee, saving the library lots of money in the short-term and lowering library standards in the meantime. Some of them even seek to protect their jobs by refusing to mentor or share information with those of us at the bottom struggling to break into a professional position.</p>
<p>I love library work. I love patrons, reading, making information accessible, and treating all information-seekers fairly. I give my all in my library assistant position, but hate that it seems I won&#8217;t be able to recover the $35,000 I spent to earn the MLS because I loved library work so much. I&#8217;m not even getting interviews, except for one telephone interview. I&#8217;m competing against graduates of 2008, 2009, and 2010, and also against those who didn&#8217;t leave their jobs in 2009 for job security concerns but now feel confident enough to seek a better position.</p>
<p>From those boomers who do bother to acknowledge that they received the application materials you spent the time to craft, you hear that they were swamped with applications. </p>
<p>I hate the current climate of nepotism and privilege that is sneaking into the library job hiring world.  I see a lot of self-aggrandizement in this competitive climate, including among the established boomers making 80,000+ a year, and not much furthering of the library profession itself. If boomers were concerned about building the library world instead of their own salaries, they&#8217;d be mentoring more, and pushing for more MLS positions, and outsourcing less. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken on as many professional duties as my library will allow for a library assistant. I&#8217;ve volunteered, but don&#8217;t have time to volunteer any more. My family and my son needs me to be home sometimes, and I work full-time and it&#8217;s a full-time job to craft each cover letter, resume, and&#8211;horrors&#8211;the city or academic applications, each of which has some unique requirement. When I read professional salaried librarians gripe about how they might have received an application with a typo, or one in which the applicant accidentally left in the name of a different institution from a rewritten cover letter, I think about the nights I&#8217;ve stayed up past 2 a.m. to try to meet an application deadline after working all day, making dinner, doing homework with my son, and getting him to bed. I care about every job I apply for. I look at the area, at the library&#8217;s website; I read the mission statement, I think about what it would be like to work there, in the position that&#8217;s advertised and in the climate that&#8217;s represented by the website. Because I had a typo, or made some glaring error like leaving in a different library&#8217;s name in the closing, doesn&#8217;t mean I just sent you a form letter or that I didn&#8217;t care about your library and the opening there.</p>
<p>If the boomers aren&#8217;t going to retire, they should at least try to mentor, and try putting themselves in the newer graduates&#8217; shoes instead of gloating about how much they make and how they&#8217;re gonna hang on until their teeth fall out. Good for you. I&#8217;m sure your library and patrons will benefit tremendously. In the meantime, the ones who take over after you finally do retire will be less prepared, because you held on to all the responsibility and micromanaging control you possibly could with your every last ounce of strength.</p>
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		<title>By: To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield &#8212; michael steeleworthy &#124; mlis</title>
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		<dc:creator>To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield &#8212; michael steeleworthy &#124; mlis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to seek, to find, and not to yield  I&#8217;ve been mulling over some words that Stanley Wilder guest-wrote on the ACRL blog in early January. The Associate Dean of Information Management Services at the University of Rochester River Campus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to seek, to find, and not to yield  I&#8217;ve been mulling over some words that Stanley Wilder guest-wrote on the ACRL blog in early January. The Associate Dean of Information Management Services at the University of Rochester River Campus [...]</p>
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